Yoshi's Island Mafia Gaiden (End - Kamek Won)

Slacker said:
VooDu said:
@NFan, I believe Slacker asked you a question
Slacker said:
NFan, what do you think the best course of action is now with KB dead?
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I would still like to hear the answer to this question.
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We should focus on finding the Mafia. If that was obvious then i'm sorry but I still have no idea what is going on. I'll just go re-read...
 
VooDu said:
@MattC, I don't see why you're having such a hard time answering those two questions. With what you posted with questions 3 & 4, you basically proved that the menace isn't using our answers against us, unless you want to argue that they're basing their killings off of TSL's answers, which seems pretty far-fetched.
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I'm not having a hard time answering the questions because I'm not answering them. And just because the menace isn't using what we said against us now doesn't mean he/she will in the coming days.

Sashe2705 said:
Don't you think that it'd be too obvious to ask questions like these if you're Mafia?
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No.

Billy12510 said:
So if he asked these questions today... we would or wouldn't be having this conversation?
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It would be a lot more suspicious to be asking questions about who you would kill after someone has already been killed. :p
 
MattC said:
Sashe2705 said:
Don't you think that it'd be too obvious to ask questions like these if you're Mafia?
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No.
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Why not?

MattC said:
Slacker said:
How would I benefit at all from others answering before I did?
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Being able to see how "others would act" and being able to use their answers to eventually pin blame on them. Also with what Aegis said about being able to deceive people, you're also putting yourself at risk if menace just so happens to act in a way that you described and start going after the people you would go after as well.
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If a player acts just like he/she thought the menace would act, it won't be a good idea to blame them only because of that. All in all, it may be just a coincidence. Also, I agree with Aegis that you can deceive people when answering these questions. That's why I don't think that the Mafia player will benefit much from the answers of these questions. So, I don't think you should have any problems answering the 3rd and the 4th question.
 
Sashe2705 said:
MattC said:
Sashe2705 said:
Don't you think that it'd be too obvious to ask questions like these if you're Mafia?
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No.
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Why not?
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Because everyone in this game is a question mark and their actions should be analyzed. Asking people a bunch of questions on the first day raises my curiosity.


Sashe2705 said:
If a player acts just like he/she thought the menace would act, it won't be a good idea to blame them only because of that. All in all, it may be just a coincidence. Also, I agree with Aegis that you can deceive people when answering these questions. That's why I don't think that the Mafia player will benefit much from the answers of these questions.
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Then who benefits from answering the questions? Why ask them in the first place if no one does? They really don't help us on the first day to accuse someone as Slacker intended.

Sashe2705 said:
So, I don't think you should have any problems answering the 3rd and the 4th question.
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Why am I answering the third and the fourth question after someone has already been killed off?
 
My intention for asking the questions were to generate discussion in any way possible on the first day. The beginning of any mafia game is pretty ominous and difficult because of the lack of information available to us. I've asked questions in a previous game of mafia on here (I think) and it was nice discussion to have on the first day, which is why I used it again this game. I doubt that asking questions is an entirely rare tactic on the first day. I don't mind that you didn't answer the questions, I wasn't absolutely forcing everyone to, but I find your hang up on the questions unnecessary.

MattC said:
Sashe2705 said:
If a player acts just like he/she thought the menace would act, it won't be a good idea to blame them only because of that. All in all, it may be just a coincidence. Also, I agree with Aegis that you can deceive people when answering these questions. That's why I don't think that the Mafia player will benefit much from the answers of these questions.
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Then who benefits from answering the questions? Why ask them in the first place if no one does? They really don't help us on the first day to accuse someone as Slacker intended.
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That was a little backhanded. From your post, I'm assuming that you're saying I "intended" to lynch someone randomly or at the very least place heavy blame on them? I said that the purpose of the questions was to "avoid 'No Lynch' x7 and avoid a page of useless posting." Nowhere did I say that I had the intention of getting everyone to lynch someone; the questions were used to generate discussion from the group and get everyone to think critically (question 3) about the type of game we were playing (question 2), as well as get everyone's experience (question 1) because I've noticed certain trends while hosting on this site when a beginner is mafia. Question 4 was more or less out of curiosity but still served a purpose--most of the people chosen were active, and I was hoping to draw the mafia's attack away from active players in fear that the kill could be drawn back to them if they did kill one of us. There is an explanation on what I "intended" and I apologize if I misunderstood what you said.

I would have to agree with HJ on this one. I've been wondering why you haven't just thrown a vote on me already if you're still so convinced that I'm mafia because I tried to generate discussion on the first day. I didn't want to sound OMGUS, but your behavior has been pretty suspect. You placed a FOS on me while mudslinging (see my last post on page 12) as if you were trying to quietly drum up support against me until you could convince other people to vote me, so it wouldn't be as obvious that you were trying to get me out. I wouldn't call that analysis.
 
The Shattered Legacy said:
Matt, by that logic, what's stopping you from voting Slacker if you believe his motives are darker than what everyone else has thought they are?
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Slacker said:
I would have to agree with HJ on this one. I've been wondering why you haven't just thrown a vote on me already if you're still so convinced that I'm mafia because I tried to generate discussion on the first day. I didn't want to sound OMGUS, but your behavior has been pretty suspect. You placed a FOS on me while mudslinging (see my last post on page 12) as if you were trying to quietly drum up support against me until you could convince other people to vote me, so it wouldn't be as obvious that you were trying to get me out. I wouldn't call that analysis.
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Jesus Christ, I never said I was sure that Slacker was the menace. It's my fucking FoS. I speculated you and you're trying to defend your innocence which is what I wanted you to do. Please don't tell me you seriously think I'm turning heads because I'm pretty sure that I'm alone on this.

Aside I'm not answering the questions I feel like I've been pretty open about what I think.
 
I don't have a problem about being questioned, I was just saying that your argument seemed a little far reaching at some points. Your interrogation seemed pretty consistent after I answered all of your speculation, which is why I thought you were seriously considering that I was mafia and was wondering why you didn't place a vote on me. Now I know why and don't mind.

@NFan - Haha let me rephrase what I was trying to say in a better way, because I still feel like this wasn't necessarily addressed with you. KB died right after he tried to get you voted out on Day 1. To some people, this could cast a suspicious light on you--although that would be fairly obvious. I want you to convince me (all of us) why you wouldn't have killed KB last night phase and who you think gains the most from setting you up.
 
NintendoFan said:
@Slacker If I did really kill KB then that would have been a really stupid move on my part because we had a fight on D1. It would make me suspicious. The menace here is just taking advantage of yesterday's events and is trying to frame me.
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That was kinda off the point of Slackers questions.
1. Try and convince us that you didn't kill KB last night.
2. Who do you think gains the most from setting you up.
 
VooDu said:
NintendoFan said:
@Slacker If I did really kill KB then that would have been a really stupid move on my part because we had a fight on D1. It would make me suspicious. The menace here is just taking advantage of yesterday's events and is trying to frame me.
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That was kinda off the point of Slackers questions.
1. Try and convince us that you didn't kill KB last night.
2. Who do you think gains the most from setting you up.
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1. I didn't kill KB because as I already said, it would make me suspicious. If I was Mafia then I would practically be saying "I'm Mafia, you can kill me now." With all seriousness, killing KB would put me in a bad spot.

2. I don't think anyone gains anything from setting me up, but it was the Mafia's choice to put me in a tough position, so...
 
Umm... So sorry...

I've been...uhh...drifting off into sleep because of being awake for so long...

Anyway... Let's get started...

MattC said:
The questions were:
3. What type of tendencies/behaviors do you think the menace would show?

4. If you were mafia and had the ability to kill overnight, who would you target first and why? (I know this question could be incriminating and understand if anyone declines.)
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Here is reference for those who are wondering.

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Spongyoshi said:
If i was the mafia,i would kill:
- Slacker because you give some goods ideas
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Billy12510 said:
4. Someone with a lot of experience, like myself or you Slacker.
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NintendoFan said:
4. I don't want to answer that. [Would eventually say Slacker and H-J]
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I understand NFan apparently has a lack of Mafia experience...but nonetheless...

STOP for a minute here. Okay. You DON'T want to answer that? But then you put into brackets Slacker or H-J. It's true. I would consider them both experienced at this & they would be a good target to go for first. Because wouldn't you want to eliminate the ones most capable of helping the group out? But if NFan was Mafia...& stated he'd go for either of those two...why kill Kingboo(to cover up his statement perhaps)? Also, Kingboo placed the vote on NFan BEFORE Slacker asked these questions & the ensuing 3 other votes came after the questions.(THIS BOLDED TEXT MAY HELP YOU WITH SOME THINGS I'VE TO SAY BELOW) Soooo... I think NFan was getting upset when votes kept piling up on him. This doesn't rule him out... But in my personal belief, I don't think he is responsible. I feel he is more conflicted if not by being pressured. Therefore, SOMEONE using him as bait to lure us away.

Slacker said:
3. Ideally, kingboo's actions of going after NFan (but looks more like a jester).
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Well, yeah. People would suspect Kingboo for just placing a vote on him. Here's a funny thing...

Slacker said:
Random Vote: Sashe for now.
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Now why did you do this? You ask these questions, but then, you, yourself, places a random vote on someone without any hard proof. To maybe ensue a bandwagon to potentially get someone INNOCENT killed?

Altho...

Slacker said:
Realistically, staying quiet and jumping on a bandwagon if necessary, otherwise fighting it so they can look innocent.
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This is something that I suspected Aegis of doing. He jumped on the bandwagon of voting for NFan.

Kingboo was the only one at the time who voted(he did it just because i guess; we obvsly know he was a good guy now),

then Aegis(giving no explanation until people pressured him),

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then Sashe(who gave his reasoning straightout),

then me(i wanted to get something out of him by doing so. i explained this after Day 2 approached).

BUT HOLD THE PHONE HERE. H-J brought up a good point on Sashe:

The Shattered Legacy said:
Sashe2705 said:
Sashe: I suspect NFan cause he didn't want to answer Slacker's questions. That's why I'll Vote: NintendoFan for now. I will withdraw my vote if he give me an explanation why he didn't want to answer the questions.
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H-J: This was an appropriate probe and was responded to:
NintendoFan said:
Me from earlier post said:
NFan: I'm not very comfortable picking who I want dead(Yes, I know I have a story where I do that, but this is different). I have no reason to kill any of you.
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On top of that, I have never played Mafia with any of you, so I have 0% idea on how experienced you are.
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H-J: But why did Sashe hold the vote until the wagon collapsed?
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Before I go on with anything to Sashe, I want to hear his reasoning for why he DIDN'T unvote NFan after he gave his reasoning & instead waited for the "No Lynch" bandwagon.

Given the high possibility I am the doublevoter, this puts Sashe at a possible disadvantage.

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ANYWAY...

Aegis has been showing menacing behavior in my eyes. He's been very lackluster in participating with the group & especially to my FoS toward him. After my analysis on him potentially being the one we're looking for he got upset about how everyone just agreed with me without any mind of their own. I agree with his frustration there because wouldn't you want to give your own opinion on something then just blatantly agree? Personally, I feel Aegis' lack of trying to even counter what I said makes me to believe that I caught him red-handed.

He's also been acting quite "silly" with the responses he's been giving out(this was before i put an analysis on him, FYI). Calling NFan a MANAJERK. Or:

Aegis said:
*starts karaoke* LETS GET PHYSICAL....PHYSICAL.....I WANNA GET PHYSICAAAAAAAAL! LEMME SEE YOUR BODY TAAAAAAALLLKKKKK.
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Aegis said:
I SWEAR I DIDNT MEAN TO GIVE KINGBOO THE WRONG STUFF! Now everybody just play cool.....
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IDK what his intentions are here. Maybe he doesn't care either way if he gets caught or not. Telling people all to just relax...

Aegis said:
I didn't answer the questions only because I think they are a waste of time. Anybody could lie about their answers and decieve people, what's the point?
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A waste of time. Heh. Perhaps to give us as little info as possible to track you down. But that second part holds so true...

Matt's reasoning for not answering them was "he's not obligated to". And true, you aren't... Aegis' reasoning calling it a waste of time just strikes me as off...

Aegis hasn't given enough of an explanation FOR ME to retract anything I said back.

Everything I put out on him gives me a fair share of confidence he could be the killer. But then again... Maybe his joint & the other thing that killed Kingboo indeed WAS different altogether. The cloud of smoke blinded everyone...but was Aegis ACTUALLY the one who killed Kingboo or was it someone else?

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I do have a FoS on Slacker after that whole fiasco between him, Matt, & Billy... And also because of how many people stated they'd get rid of him but he's still here & Kingboo is dead.

Maybe Slacker IS potentially trying to lure our attention toward NFan & Aegis like he even said so himself(twice in fact)?

Slacker said:
I agree that the menace is trying to use this situation to their advantage by trying to throw blame on NFan/Aegis
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Slacker said:
mafia killed one person in this conflict to bring all the attention on NFan and Aegis.
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Slacker said:
but I don't see how it's a result of me observing that KB attacked NFan. Regardless, my comment was saying that, ideally, the menace would go after his target the way KB would go after NFan. I don't see the jump from this to me putting NFan under suspicion.
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Oh really? You don't see that? Wouldn't the mafia WANT to observe a situation to PUT THE BLAME ON NFan & AEGIS.

Slacker said:
Regardless, my comment was saying that, ideally, the menace would go after his target the way KB would go after NFan. I don't see the jump from this to me putting NFan under suspicion.
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Maybe...you should take a look above again with what I pointed out toward you in regards to your random vote on Sashe...
 
EBWOP

Despite some suspicions I may have for others...

Sorry my dear friend, but...Vote: Aegis.

You haven't given me enough to take away anything I said...

I'm so sorry...
 
I want to answer Unknown's question. So, NFan finally explained why he didn't want to answer the last two questions. But still, I felt like he's hiding something, even though he explained why he didn't want to answer the questions. However, when I saw that most of the people voted "No Lynch" and withdrawed their votes on NFan, I realized that he wouldn't be lynched on Day 1. Also, I wanted to keep the game going so I voted "No Lynch". And that's my explanation, Unknown.

So, Matt explained why he didn't want to answer the questions. Sure, Slacker is a little suspicious because he asked these questions, but I still doubt that he's Mafia. And although the Mafia player may really want to put Aegis and NFan on the hot seat, I agree with Unknown that he's been acting a bit silly and is quite suspicious. Also, I think that he's too quiet (just like a Mafia player would do). I think that evidence is enough for me to Vote: Aegis.
 
Quietness on early days doesn't mean much Sashe. :p

This is the second time you've wagoned... Hmm. I'll keep an eye on you.

By the way, do people think that the mafia are purposefully choosing people who weren't described as 'who I would kill because...' in order to catch us off guard, or because they 'random' killed, or they're planning to leave the thinkers left to fight over each other?

FoS Sashe
 
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