Yoshi's Island Mafia Gaiden (End - Kamek Won)

Hmm. Another round of interesting points. I'll wait for Aegis to respond, but I can't help but think that Prince might be the menace too. The mafia's job is to get us to lynch the person with Baby Mario, and Prince's long posts with spouts of things against people here and there give off a bit of a brainwashing vibe, especially when there's that much on Day 2 so either A. Aegis just sucks at being mafia and keeping it hidden or B. Prince is trying something on us.
FoS Prince
 
VooDu said:
Hmm. Another round of interesting points. I'll wait for Aegis to respond, but I can't help but think that Prince might be the menace too. The mafia's job is to get us to lynch the person with Baby Mario, and Prince's long posts with spouts of things against people here and there give off a bit of a brainwashing vibe, especially when there's that much on Day 2 so either A. Aegis just sucks at being mafia and keeping it hidden or B. Prince is trying something on us.
FoS Prince
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B. is possible cause Unknown hasn't suspected anyone except for Aegis. However, Unknown is right that Aegis has been acting strangely and is suspicious. But overall, I'll go with A.
 
The Shattered Legacy said:
By the way, do people think that the mafia are purposefully choosing people who weren't described as 'who I would kill because...' in order to catch us off guard, or because they 'random' killed, or they're planning to leave the thinkers left to fight over each other?
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Would they purposely not choose those listed? Oh, definitely they would. To draw suspicion away from them.

If we asked.you that, you chose Kingboo(many other contenders there on your list, but yeah). Maybe you used the whole debacle on Day 1 as an excuse to kill Kingboo?

If by "random killed" you mean they never submitted anything, I find it to be far-fetched. Everyone of us has AT LEAST shown their selves.  With Kingboo dead I really doubt this.

But if by "random killed" you mean it was due to our actions during the supposed night; again, I find it unlikely because SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE SMOKE, THE THING THAT POPPED OUT OF THE BAG, GOT TO KINGBOO FIRST. Obvsly it had to have been someone.

If you're trying to suggest maybe you're the one pulling our strings... *takes a glare at you*

The evidence I've gathered does make it seem like Aegis is the one... But...I still have second thoughts... He just grabbed out the joint, right? Slacker opened up a bag... But something else knocked Kingboo unconscious... *takes another look at H-J*

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You're lame reasoning for just FoS'ing Sashe due to bandwagoning despite giving a seemingly good reason is...garbage...in my eyes...

...FoS on H-J. Try to give me a good reason why I shouldn't put suspicion on you.
 
EBWOP(again)

VooDu said:
Hmm. Another round of interesting points. I'll wait for Aegis to respond, but I can't help but think that Prince might be the menace too. The mafia's job is to get us to lynch the person with Baby Mario, and Prince's long posts with spouts of things against people here and there give off a bit of a brainwashing vibe, especially when there's that much on Day 2 so either A. Aegis just sucks at being mafia and keeping it hidden or B. Prince is trying something on us.
FoS Prince
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OH HO. Interesting someone FINALLY has decided to put ME on the spot. Altho, Matt did say something before regarding me... How I didn't answer Question 4 of Slacker's questions.

You give a good reason for suspecting me... However, if we take into account the voting... The ones before I voted led a 5/7 "No Lynch". But upon my vote...it boosted up to 7... Weird... The ones after I voted surely aren't the ones. Because UPON MY VOTE IT WENT TO SEVEN. Which means I could be the doublevoter. But doesn't rule out the possibility of those BEFORE me also being one(Slacker, H-J, Matt, Billy, Timmy).

I don't have much to back myself up with. All I've been trying is to anaylize the situation for others to get a grasp on. Seeing what they can do witb whaf I've provided.
 
Just because you possibly have the double vote doesn't exactly mean that you aren't mafia. In fact, I think the double vote is a good reason for why someone could be mafia because there is only one mafia player in this game when there is normally 2 or more, and giving the lone mafia player a double vote is a bit of a helping hand of sorts.

Now that you bring it up, there actually is some evidence against you to. Everyone who hasn't answered a question has been grilled about it, but you. Are you trying to make everyone skip over it? You blame Aegis for being silly when you're probably more at fault of this silliness. Although that's kinda excusable since your silliness only happened in lesser important posts. Since everyone's explained but you, Prince, why didn't you answer question 4?
 
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I guess it doesn't help either I tried to kill Gman.

Maybe I used that as a distraction. Maybe I snuck up & killed Kingboo myself.

*makes a weak chuckle*

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Your theory of mafia being able to put two votes on one person is...quite the...insight, I must say.

Despite all this...why pin it down all on me...?  Timmy & H-J have both been relatively quiet... They've voted before me.

As did Billy, Matt, & Slacker. They all had a fuss earlier. What makes you think it's none of them but me?

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As for not answering the last question... *smiles weakly* Maybe as Aegis put it into his own words..."you could lie & deceieve people anyway".

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So, what? Are you all going to get at me now? AM I THE MAFIA YOU'RE LOOKING FOR!? DOES ANYTHING I SAY CONVINCE YOU I MIGHT BE!?!?

WELL!!! TELL ME!!! TELL ME I'M THE KILLER!!! SAY IT TO MY FACE!!!
 
I'm not pinning it down all on you, if I was doing that I would've actually voted to lynch you, but I'm leaving it at an FoS because, like you said, there's so many people and there's no strong case against any of them (except maybe Aegis as you've pointed out).

True, Timmy and TSL have been quiet, especially the former so I'd like to hear what he thinks about everything that's happened throughout today.

Billy, Matt & Slacker's fuss wasn't really leading towards any mafia related roles, just why Matt wouldn't answer the questions so there's nothing really to lead on to there.

For not answering question 4, I'd like to see a real reason from you, not just sticking on to Aegis's reason as a safety net. You also answered the question with "Heh. Good question. Maybe I leave it to others to say" which sounds very suspicious and relates to what Matt said to Slacker about asking the questions then waiting to see other peoples answers to fit into the group. Why did you leave it to others to say?
 
Prince Richard-o ? said:
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I guess it doesn't help either I tried to kill Gman.

Maybe I used that as a distraction. Maybe I snuck up & killed Kingboo myself.

*makes a weak chuckle*

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Your theory of mafia being able to put two votes on one person is...quite the...insight, I must say.

Despite all this...why pin it down all on me...?  Timmy & H-J have both been relatively quiet... They've voted before me.

As did Billy, Matt, & Slacker. They all had a fuss earlier. What makes you think it's none of them but me?

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As for not answering the last question... *smiles weakly* Maybe as Aegis put it into his own words..."you could lie & deceieve people anyway".

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So, what? Are you all going to get at me now? AM I THE MAFIA YOU'RE LOOKING FOR!? DOES ANYTHING I SAY CONVINCE YOU I MIGHT BE!?!?

WELL!!! TELL ME!!! TELL ME I'M THE KILLER!!! SAY IT TO MY FACE!!!
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Well if I had more concrete proof that you WERE I'd have no trouble doing so. But allow me to add in my 2 cents about Voodu's accusation.
It appears that the only evidence against you is that DAMN 4th Chaos- I mean... that DAMN 4th question that's stirred up so much controversy this day. Why didn't we go after you harder for not answering that question? Was it because we were blinded because you answered all the other ones? (Although I still don't think Matt helped himself by bringing up all the answers to half the questions that he never bothered answering.)

Now that I think on things a bit more... maybe there's more evidence then I initially thought. Consider this:

Prince Richard-o ? said:
Umm... So sorry...

I've been...uhh...drifting off into sleep because of being awake for so long...

Anyway... Let's get started...

MattC said:
The questions were:
3. What type of tendencies/behaviors do you think the menace would show?

4. If you were mafia and had the ability to kill overnight, who would you target first and why? (I know this question could be incriminating and understand if anyone declines.)
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Here is reference for those who are wondering.

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Spongyoshi said:
If i was the mafia,i would kill:
- Slacker because you give some goods ideas
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Billy12510 said:
4. Someone with a lot of experience, like myself or you Slacker.
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NintendoFan said:
4. I don't want to answer that. [Would eventually say Slacker and H-J]
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I understand NFan apparently has a lack of Mafia experience...but nonetheless...

STOP for a minute here. Okay. You DON'T want to answer that? But then you put into brackets Slacker or H-J. It's true. I would consider them both experienced at this & they would be a good target to go for first. Because wouldn't you want to eliminate the ones most capable of helping the group out? But if NFan was Mafia...& stated he'd go for either of those two...why kill Kingboo(to cover up his statement perhaps)? Also, Kingboo placed the vote on NFan BEFORE Slacker asked these questions & the ensuing 3 other votes came after the questions.(THIS BOLDED TEXT MAY HELP YOU WITH SOME THINGS I'VE TO SAY BELOW) Soooo... I think NFan was getting upset when votes kept piling up on him. This doesn't rule him out... But in my personal belief, I don't think he is responsible. I feel he is more conflicted if not by being pressured. Therefore, SOMEONE using him as bait to lure us away.

Slacker said:
3. Ideally, kingboo's actions of going after NFan (but looks more like a jester).
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Well, yeah. People would suspect Kingboo for just placing a vote on him. Here's a funny thing...

Slacker said:
Random Vote: Sashe for now.
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Now why did you do this? You ask these questions, but then, you, yourself, places a random vote on someone without any hard proof. To maybe ensue a bandwagon to potentially get someone INNOCENT killed?

Altho...

Slacker said:
Realistically, staying quiet and jumping on a bandwagon if necessary, otherwise fighting it so they can look innocent.
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This is something that I suspected Aegis of doing. He jumped on the bandwagon of voting for NFan.

Kingboo was the only one at the time who voted(he did it just because i guess; we obvsly know he was a good guy now),

then Aegis(giving no explanation until people pressured him),

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then Sashe(who gave his reasoning straightout),

then me(i wanted to get something out of him by doing so. i explained this after Day 2 approached).

BUT HOLD THE PHONE HERE. H-J brought up a good point on Sashe:

The Shattered Legacy said:
Sashe2705 said:
Sashe: I suspect NFan cause he didn't want to answer Slacker's questions. That's why I'll Vote: NintendoFan for now. I will withdraw my vote if he give me an explanation why he didn't want to answer the questions.
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H-J: This was an appropriate probe and was responded to:
NintendoFan said:
Me from earlier post said:
NFan: I'm not very comfortable picking who I want dead(Yes, I know I have a story where I do that, but this is different). I have no reason to kill any of you.
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On top of that, I have never played Mafia with any of you, so I have 0% idea on how experienced you are.
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H-J: But why did Sashe hold the vote until the wagon collapsed?
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Before I go on with anything to Sashe, I want to hear his reasoning for why he DIDN'T unvote NFan after he gave his reasoning & instead waited for the "No Lynch" bandwagon.

Given the high possibility I am the doublevoter, this puts Sashe at a possible disadvantage.

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ANYWAY...

Aegis has been showing menacing behavior in my eyes. He's been very lackluster in participating with the group & especially to my FoS toward him. After my analysis on him potentially being the one we're looking for he got upset about how everyone just agreed with me without any mind of their own. I agree with his frustration there because wouldn't you want to give your own opinion on something then just blatantly agree? Personally, I feel Aegis' lack of trying to even counter what I said makes me to believe that I caught him red-handed.

He's also been acting quite "silly" with the responses he's been giving out(this was before i put an analysis on him, FYI). Calling NFan a MANAJERK. Or:

Aegis said:
*starts karaoke* LETS GET PHYSICAL....PHYSICAL.....I WANNA GET PHYSICAAAAAAAAL! LEMME SEE YOUR BODY TAAAAAAALLLKKKKK.
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Aegis said:
I SWEAR I DIDNT MEAN TO GIVE KINGBOO THE WRONG STUFF! Now everybody just play cool.....
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IDK what his intentions are here. Maybe he doesn't care either way if he gets caught or not. Telling people all to just relax...

Aegis said:
I didn't answer the questions only because I think they are a waste of time. Anybody could lie about their answers and decieve people, what's the point?
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A waste of time. Heh. Perhaps to give us as little info as possible to track you down. But that second part holds so true...

Matt's reasoning for not answering them was "he's not obligated to". And true, you aren't... Aegis' reasoning calling it a waste of time just strikes me as off...

Aegis hasn't given enough of an explanation FOR ME to retract anything I said back.

Everything I put out on him gives me a fair share of confidence he could be the killer. But then again... Maybe his joint & the other thing that killed Kingboo indeed WAS different altogether. The cloud of smoke blinded everyone...but was Aegis ACTUALLY the one who killed Kingboo or was it someone else?

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I do have a FoS on Slacker after that whole fiasco between him, Matt, & Billy... And also because of how many people stated they'd get rid of him but he's still here & Kingboo is dead.

Maybe Slacker IS potentially trying to lure our attention toward NFan & Aegis like he even said so himself(twice in fact)?

Slacker said:
I agree that the menace is trying to use this situation to their advantage by trying to throw blame on NFan/Aegis
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Slacker said:
mafia killed one person in this conflict to bring all the attention on NFan and Aegis.
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Slacker said:
but I don't see how it's a result of me observing that KB attacked NFan. Regardless, my comment was saying that, ideally, the menace would go after his target the way KB would go after NFan. I don't see the jump from this to me putting NFan under suspicion.
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Oh really? You don't see that? Wouldn't the mafia WANT to observe a situation to PUT THE BLAME ON NFan & AEGIS.

Slacker said:
Regardless, my comment was saying that, ideally, the menace would go after his target the way KB would go after NFan. I don't see the jump from this to me putting NFan under suspicion.
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Maybe...you should take a look above again with what I pointed out toward you in regards to your random vote on Sashe...
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Yet even after all that time spent questioning and suspecting Slacker... you're voting for Aegis. Isn't that odd considering you said quote: "Wouldn't the mafia WANT to observe a situation to PUT THE BLAME ON Nfan & Aegis?" It's alright to suspect Slacker if you want (if you can back it up, which you did.) but then why vote for Aegis? Wouldn't putting the blame on him be EXACTLY what the Mafia wants? Or perhaps more to the point I'm getting at... what YOU want? The more I read into Aegis's statements... I'm actually more convinced of his innocence then anything else.

I mean think about it... he pointed out the fact that the question's could've been... "cheated" I guess you'd call it. Which admittedly is kind of obvious, but none of us really seemed to care enough to focus on that. And as for Aegis's "silly" behavior, I attribute that to being Aegis doing whatever the fuck he wants to do. Not really all that suspicious...

So by that logic I've stated earlier what I'm about to say is admittedly odd... I still don't trust Nfan. It just that his explanation fails to satisfy really, it boils down to this: "It's too obvious to be me." Which is admittedly kinda true, I'd hope you weren't THAT stupid. But that's the only thing in your defense, a "theory" that everyone has latched onto because "there's no way he'd be that stupid." Hmm... Well since I don't really have evidence debunking that theory, I can't formally vote for you. But watch your step...

FoS: Unknown and Nfan. Retracting my FoS against Aegis.
 
Now that I think about it, Aegis may not be that suspicious, I mean, Unknown suspected him because he didn't retract his vote against NFan. However, I agree with Aegis that NFan acted strange on Day 1. I still don't trust him, either. VooDu's absolutely right. Unknown is suspecting Aegis and now he even voted to lynch him. Sure, I voted for him, too, which may raise some suspicion but I had my reasons. Unknown didn't answer the last question which raises some suspicion, too. I want him to explain why he didn't answer it. Also, he and I said that Aegis acted silly on Day 1. That may be right, but Unknown's argument with Spong was silly, too. Like this:

Prince Richard-o ? said:
AFTER THE REMAINING TWO EXCLUDING GMAN VOTE! *puts you up against a wall*

I'm getting on edge here, d*****...
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So, he doesn't have any hard proof to vote for Aegis. Neither do I so Unvote: Aegis.

FoS Unknown
 
Prince Richard-o ? said:
You're lame reasoning for just FoS'ing Sashe due to bandwagoning despite giving a seemingly good reason is...garbage...in my eyes...

...FoS on H-J. Try to give me a good reason why I shouldn't put suspicion on you.
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My italics. lol talk to me about lame, seemingly garbage comments over my dead body. ;)

Sashe2705 said:
I agree with Unknown that he's been acting a bit silly and is quite suspicious. Also, I think that he's too quiet (just like a Mafia player would do). I think that evidence is enough for me to Vote: Aegis.
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The good reason is primarily your reason. I also don't believe a (single) mafia player would necessarily stay quiet throughout, and in the first few days I would expect them to be more vocal. They need to gain the trust of the town in order to survive, don't they?

Also, this isn't reality TV. Turn your manic volume dial to "euthymic" please.



Hold on. The mafia's role is knowing who his target is. He can't kill them overnight or it's game over for him. (though town wouldn't win either... would they?) Then why don't we analyze voting patterns?

VooDu's point of giving mafia a boost with votes is a good theory. If so, assume all vote limits are one lower than normal. (so if first to 7, it's actually first to 6)



The question is with Nfan, is it legitimate to 'appeal to stupidity' or 'inexperience of MPL games'? One could argue that that is simply a cover by which he can feel safe that no-one knows his meta and he doesn't know ours. Far-fetched, but always worth keeping at the back of the mind. I'm with Billy at this point in that I don't think Aegis is mafia.

Holy shit you quoted a lot there Billy.

So the only thing going against Slacker is "he asked lots of questions which could be used as information for himself to plan"? Couldn't a similar argument be made towards Richard to the tune of "lead the town with cleverly crafted appeals to insanity and (pseudo-)logic such that people feel that his judgements and lynch votes are town-leaning, whereas his true intentions are to misdirect and trap"? I'm just saying that anything anyone has done could be made as a case against them. A simple 'you're lame reasoning' seems to pale in comparison, does it not? (not that I'm suggesting that clears me, it's just a recent example)



My FoS on Sashe holds for now but I'm prepared to withdraw it as the votes come and go (the recent unvote makes me feel more confident that a FoS isn't necessary).
Richard doesn't give me any additional reason to suspect him besides doing quite poorly at manipulation. You know I can reverse that on you. Don't try me.

Maybe it's worth coming up with more questions to get people to expose their thoughts. Or fabrications.
 
Billy actually makes me realize something. The 4th question Slacker has asked has stirred up a lot of chaos. Perhaps this could of been his motive, asking this question to cause chaos whilst Slacker slowly tries and picks us off while we bicker. It seems a lot more likely since Slacker randomly voted Sashe and that went under the wayside while we talked about question 4 and also that Slacker's alibi for the questions was to "cause discussion" which wasn't really needed since KB had voted NFan already and was causing a discussion.

At first, TSL's claims against Sashe were pretty far-fetched, although his last post has me suspicious. It sounds like he is just following the pack. "Now that I think about it, Aegis may not be that suspicious" and you only figure this out directly after everyone else starts to work it out? Were you actually thinking about it, or just listening to everyone else? His whole post was just rephrasing things that were already said, making him seem good when he's not doing anything. He even asked the same question I asked a couple posts ago and got an answer for. Surely Sashe should've seen this had he have read it all.
FoS Sashe
 
VooDu said:
Billy actually makes me realize something. The 4th question Slacker has asked has stirred up a lot of chaos. Perhaps this could of been his motive, asking this question to cause chaos whilst Slacker slowly tries and picks us off while we bicker. It seems a lot more likely since Slacker randomly voted Sashe and that went under the wayside while we talked about question 4 and also that Slacker's alibi for the questions was to "cause discussion" which wasn't really needed since KB had voted NFan already and was causing a discussion.

At first, TSL's claims against Sashe were pretty far-fetched, although his last post has me suspicious. It sounds like he is just following the pack. "Now that I think about it, Aegis may not be that suspicious" and you only figure this out directly after everyone else starts to work it out? Were you actually thinking about it, or just listening to everyone else? His whole post was just rephrasing things that were already said, making him seem good when he's not doing anything. He even asked the same question I asked a couple posts ago and got an answer for. Surely Sashe should've seen this had he have read it all.
FoS Sashe
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Look, I can tell you that this is just a coincidence. I mean, I've changed my opinion. I may be "following the pack" but that's because I don't want to risk to raise suspicion on me if I vote first. Like in the last Mafia game I played, I suspected a few people and voted for them (I wasn't following the pack). This raised suspicion and unfortunately I was lynched on Day 2. Trust me, VooDu, it's just a coincidence.
 
I didn't know that my laid-back personality would make me out to be the bad dude. Seems to me that the menace is trying to use this to their advantage.

Everybody is so on edge and analytical when it comes to Mafia. Me? I just keep it cool and observe. I like to forget that there is a killer out there and enjoy myself, because isn't that what YM wanted us to do? Go crazy? Maybe me getting high was over-the-top but you guys could have avoided my smoke!

You could also say I am not taking this seriously because I don't believe anybody here has made any compelling arguements except for, ironically, UNKNOWN! He makes very compelling posts that sway the masses to bandwagon. All of you who agree with Unknown don't supply a defense of your own and just aim for me. What? Do you have something to hide?

Sashe accused me of being Mafia because I am "being too quiet". HEY JERK, WHAT IF I WAS IN A CAR ACCIDENT AND I COULDN'T COME ON THIS HERE FORUM GAME BECAUSE I AM FIGHTING FOR MY IRL SOUL
 
@Sashe *Looks at your last mafia*
I suppose you have your reasons. But blindly following the pack isn't going to help you out either. Easily retractable FoS still stands for now though.

Aegis said:
You could also say I am not taking this seriously because I don't believe anybody here has made any compelling arguements except for, ironically, UNKNOWN! He makes very compelling posts that sway the masses to bandwagon. All of you who agree with Unknown don't supply a defense of your own and just aim for me. What? Do you have something to hide?
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The thing is, when Prince explained his suspicions of you, he writes out every piece of evidence, even some that we couldn't see previously. So if each of us were to supply our own defense, it would just be a page of everyone repeating what Prince said and would just get tiresome and nobody wants to read the same thing 1000 times.
 
I am just gonna Vote: Sashe because of his crap reasonings for people potentially being Mafia.
 
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