Yoshi's Island Mafia Gaiden (End - Kamek Won)

[AegisReflector]

Funny how everybody just starts to automatically agree with Kinetic's explanation. Perhaps my dear friend is using the dull, unpainted canvases to brainwash. Most of you just agreed without an elk of of thought of your own.

I kept my vote for NFan because he was being quite the jerk when most of us accused him of being Mafia, specifically on KB. The mod, YM, brought down the 7-vote rule so everybody switched their votes to keep the game going. I stuck by my decisions because NFan was nothing but a MANAJERK!

Maybe the joints did get people high but I wanted people to relaaaaaaaax, man. After all, we are dinosaurs. We got too much crap as it is, being on the verge of extinction and all.

 

[Spongyoshi]

Personally,i just said this points are interessing.
I will not makes rushed decisions about who is in mafia  Even if i have my ideas about that.

 

[Sashe2705]

Even if i have my ideas about that.

I don't know about the others, but I want to hear your opinion, Spong. Who do you think is Mafia?

 

[Spongyoshi]

Well,don't wanna suspect too much others but... I have multiples ideas about it:
Prince Richard-o ut the fault on another person
Billy12510 lays cool & calm,mostly follow others opinions
Aegis & NintendoFan :Because of others opinions
Sashe2705 :For asking this question 

Please,don't get mad,i was forced  :'( Seriously,im not STRONGLY suspecting anyone. 

 

[Timmy]

(For the record when I quote someone, I won't be quoting it properly with the timestamp that leads to the message unless it's on the same page cause I'm too lazy to format it properly. )

Damn, Prince went in and I strongly agree with him.

Well accusations are pointless at this point because nobody knows their roles yet. I just chose to vote because eh why not?

Why the vote on NFan, as opposed to let's say, Sashe, for example?
(Then again I answer my own question in the quote below...)

I kept my vote for NFan because he was being quite the jerk when most of us accused him of being Mafia, specifically on KB. The mod, YM, brought down the 7-vote rule so everybody switched their votes to keep the game going. I stuck by my decisions because NFan was nothing but a MANAJERK!

But then why say "eh why not?" in the first place? =P

Prince Richard-o: Put the fault on another person

...How so? All I saw him do was bring up points against Aegis (which is part of the game ) which as I said before, strongly agree with.

Billy12510 lays cool & calm,mostly follow others opinions

I'm kind of doing this to an extent as well, lol
But to be fair, isn't that what you're doing for the next person you suspect (as I quoted below)?

Aegis & NintendoFan :Because of others opinions

I don't recall actual suspicion on NFan today, mind pointing it out? I understand about Aegis though.

Sashe2705: For asking this question

Uh... Please don't use OMGUS (Oh my god you suck/Oh my god you're scum) reasoning. This is an example of it.

Well,don't wanna suspect too much others but... I have multiples ideas about it:
Please,don't get mad,i was forced  :'( Seriously,im not STRONGLY suspecting anyone.

I find it a bit odd how you have many suspects (most of which I don't see the logic behind), yet you don't seem to have strong suspicions.
Also you aren't necessarily forced to answer a question. =P

*FoS on Aegis and Spong

 

[Spongyoshi]

I know that i don't must answer it. (Even if you don't remember about what happened what happened to the last guy who doesn't wanted to answer...) I was just joking 
And,well this person asked,i just answered  :mute:
I also have many suspects because i don't have at all a clear idea of the mafia.
That's why my answer seems so weird i guess. 
And how is suspecting Sashe is called "OMGUS" ??? (dunno this word before that btw)
I just said i was a bit suspecting him because of asking this question.

 

[Troll]

Going to say it right now: Kingboo was killed to bait us into killing NintendoFan today. It's a smart but really obvious tactic.

Like people didn't already think that.

You overestimate people on this forum.


I'd like to bring to light the questions Slacker asked on the first day. Specifically the third and fourth ones, considering the first two are inane drivel.

The questions were:
3. What type of tendencies/behaviors do you think the menace would show?

4. If you were mafia and had the ability to kill overnight, who would you target first and why? (I know this question could be incriminating and understand if anyone declines.)

3. My first instinct would be to try to act out as the good guy to prevent them from being suspicious. But also being silent as to watch the rest of us bickering on & on while they LAUGH THEIR A** OFF.

4. Heh. Good question. Mayhap I leave it to others to say.

I think they would prefear to hide and be agressive but secretly.
If i was the mafia,i would kill:
- Slacker because you give some goods ideas
- NintendoFan because he talks a lot
- Me because im annoying

I've answered them! Everybody should do the same i think!

Idiocy.
NFan.

3. Hmm... it could very depending on the person. Speaking from experience a mafia members tendencies tend to lean towards blending in with a crowd and silently killing off the people in said crowd.

4. Someone with a lot of experience, like myself or you Slacker.

3. I think he would act like everyone else. It depends on how experienced said player is.

4. I don't want to answer that. [Would eventually say Slacker and H-J]

3. As per 2, try to get on everyone's good side, eliminate those who make themselves suspicious, and then go for the decisive kill. Alternatively they could play passively and seem inconspicuous.
4. Slacker for rallying everyone right off the bat. Unknown because of his potential to reveal the truth or at least make powerful deductions at an opportune moment. KB for making himself appear suspicious thus far. And maybe Spong for seeming a bit enthusiastic which might draw the wrong kind of attention to him.
...and me for being me.

NintendoFan, you are the only one who hasn't offered an answer to the fourth question - care to explain why?

3. Ideally, kingboo's actions of going after NFan (but looks more like a jester). Realistically, staying quiet and jumping on a bandwagon if necessary, otherwise fighting it so they can look innocent.
4. HJ is always the first to go in everything. He is good with analysis and knows a lot of the player's styles.

Spong doesn't seem all that guilty to me. KB doesn't seem all that guilty to me unless he's pulling some reverse psychology. I like Kinetic's idea of hearing from everyone before deciding on anything.
Random Vote: Sashe for now.

3. Probably act like a good guy but really be evil on the inside.
4. Like Slacker said, probably HJ cause he has pretty good deduction skills. I'd also say Slacker cause he's hosted some mafias and I reckon that'd give him the upper hand in figuring out people's techniques.

3. He'll act as an innocent and stay quiet until someone suspects him.
4. Probably Slacker, Billy or H-J because they have the most experience.

3. I'd see the menace trying to sheep or speedlynch whoever their target is.

4. I would've gone for H-J or Slacker (oops a la shade and bias LOL) since they're quite experienced and are good at analyzing.

Some points to consider:

1. Aegis, GMan and myself were the only ones who didn't answer the questions.
2. H-J answered Kingboo for question 4
3. H-J answered "eliminate those who make themselves suspicious" for question 3
4. Slacker pointed out that Kingboo going after NFan would be behavior that the menace would show.
5. Spongyoshi wanted everyone to answer the questions.
6. People voted mostly for either H-J, Slacker or Billy for "being experienced".
7. Slacker didn't immediately answer his own questions. Six people answered before he did, notably H-J, Billy and Kingboo
8. H-J went after NFan for not answered question 4. Kinetic also didn't answer question 4 but no one went after him.

My FoS right now is on Slacker. Doesn't anyone else find it a little strange that he decides to ask of questions about how the menace would act and who we would kill, and then waiting for a few people to respond before giving out his own answers?

 

[AegisReflector]

I didn't answer the questions only because I think they are a waste of time. Anybody could lie about their answers and decieve people, what's the point?

 

[Slacker]

Fair point I guess, but it's a weak accusation. How would I benefit at all from others answering before I did? I don't see how your #4 comment is relevant either--I was saying that the mafia would ideally be obviously vying after a particular person but that this wasn't realistic.

My purpose for asking the questions was to avoid "No Lynch" x7 and avoid a page of useless posting, which the majority of games fall prey to. If I remember correctly, you didn't answer the questions because you "didn't want to help the menace," but if half of the questions were inane drivel then what was the harm?

As for Timmy's post, I still feel as though Spong isn't guilty. For someone with his experience, if he had something to hide, then (based on what I've seen on this forum) he would most likely stay quiet and keep to himself in fear of making a mistake.

 

[Troll]

My purpose for asking the questions was to avoid "No Lynch" x7 and avoid a page of useless posting, which the majority of games fall prey to. If I remember correctly, you didn't answer the questions because you "didn't want to help the menace," but if half of the questions were inane drivel then what was the harm?

Because the other half weren't inane drivel and could actually be used for analysis. Which is why I quoted them and posted them for everyone to see.

How would I benefit at all from others answering before I did?

Being able to see how "others would act" and being able to use their answers to eventually pin blame on them. Also with what Aegis said about being able to deceive people, you're also putting yourself at risk if menace just so happens to act in a way that you described and start going after the people you would go after as well.

I don't see how your #4 comment is relevant either--I was saying that the mafia would ideally be obviously vying after a particular person but that this wasn't realistic

It's relevant. Kingboo was killed off, so the menace is trying to use the situation to their advantage. By axeing Kingboo right away you put NFan on the hotseat and make sure everyone is focused on someone who was involved in that whole fiasco yesterday (Aegis, Kinetic, Sashe I guess).

his experience

Experience means absolutely nothing.

 

[Billy12510]

My purpose for asking the questions was to avoid "No Lynch" x7 and avoid a page of useless posting, which the majority of games fall prey to. If I remember correctly, you didn't answer the questions because you "didn't want to help the menace," but if half of the questions were inane drivel then what was the harm?

Because the other half weren't inane drivel and could actually be used for analysis. Which is why I quoted them and posted them for everyone to see.

Ok then... so if that's the case, why didn't you answer the questions "that could have been used for analysis"?

You took the time to quote and post all of our answers... so it's obvious there's value in them... so why didn't you answer them? And give me an actual explanation, at this point, "because I wasn't required too" won't fly.

 

[Slacker]

- Alright, that's fair.

- Your answer refers to the existence of the third question, not why I would gain an advantage from others posting before me. I understand your point, but I feel as though answering my questions cancels that out--which leads to your next point. I completely agree that the menace could imitate someone, but that isn't a result directly from the questions because imitation happens all the time. Besides, when people try to imitate others, mistakes are made. From the background we know (from the questions) and the actions that occur (from the night), I would rather have a situation like this rather than nothing to go on. I will elaborate further if this isn't enough.

- This is reaching a bit far to say that I put NFan on the hotseat. I pointed out that KB was aggressively going after NFan, which anyone could see. I agree that the menace is trying to use this situation to their advantage by trying to throw blame on NFan/Aegis, but I don't see how it's a result of me observing that KB attacked NFan. Regardless, my comment was saying that, ideally, the menace would go after his target the way KB would go after NFan. I don't see the jump from this to me putting NFan under suspicion.

- I would say there's a difference between someone who is new to the game and just learning the mechanics vs. someone else who has played games before/knows a variety of roles/knows play styles of others. This is an opinion though.

 

[Slacker]

Forgot to address this:

By axeing Kingboo right away you put NFan on the hotseat and make sure everyone is focused on someone who was involved in that whole fiasco yesterday (Aegis, Kinetic, Sashe I guess).

I'd say KB's death raises suspicion on him a little bit but my theory right now is that mafia killed one person in this conflict to bring all the attention on NFan and Aegis.

 

[Troll]

You took the time to quote and post all of our answers... so it's obvious there's value in them... so why didn't you answer them? And give me an actual explanation, at this point, "because I wasn't required too" won't fly.

Because of this:

Also with what Aegis said about being able to deceive people, you're also putting yourself at risk if menace just so happens to act in a way that you described and start going after the people you would go after as well.

"I'm not required too" is a valid answer. I don't know if the person asking the questions is innocent or not. It just seems really odd that someone would ask us stuff like that on the first day. I'm sure there are other ways to move the game along.

 

[AegisReflector]

I honestly don't get why me not switching my vote to No Lynch makes me the bad guy. I just hated how NFan acted so I stuck with my vote. If that makes me Mafia then KB must have been the menace too, but oh wait he's dead.

 

[Billy12510]

You took the time to quote and post all of our answers... so it's obvious there's value in them... so why didn't you answer them? And give me an actual explanation, at this point, "because I wasn't required too" won't fly.

Because of this:

Also with what Aegis said about being able to deceive people, you're also putting yourself at risk if menace just so happens to act in a way that you described and start going after the people you would go after as well.

"I'm not required too" is a valid answer. I don't know if the person asking the questions is innocent or not. It just seems really odd that someone would ask us stuff like that on the first day. I'm sure there are other ways to move the game along.

So if he asked these questions today... we would or wouldn't be having this conversation?

 

[NintendoFan]

So what do we need to do now? I'm actually kind of confused on what's happening...

 

[Guy Shy]

@NFan, I believe Slacker asked you a question

NFan, what do you think the best course of action is now with KB dead?

@Aegis, I think you've given a fair enough explanation, plus some of the evidence (like the smoke) seems pretty coincidental, even if it might feel like a few too many coincidences.

@MattC, I don't see why you're having such a hard time answering those two questions. With what you posted with questions 3 & 4, you basically proved that the menace isn't using our answers against us, unless you want to argue that they're basing their killings off of TSL's answers, which seems pretty far-fetched.

 

[Sashe2705]

My FoS right now is on Slacker. Doesn't anyone else find it a little strange that he decides to ask of questions about how the menace would act and who we would kill, and then waiting for a few people to respond before giving out his own answers?

Don't you think that it'd be too obvious to ask questions like these if you're Mafia?

 

[Sashe2705]

GMan, what's your opinion about the situation?