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Oh boy where do I begin.

All maps do not loop, have nothing like any previous maps, all maps also feature moving by vehicles, not moving individually like in all the other games. They removed Boo (;_;) and the mini games are lacking. Now people get "ministars" when they get 2nd, 3rd, or 4th. When in the old ones, anyone who won got all the coins, now everyone wins something.

There are no coins, there are ministars, and everyone gets some, which all add up to who wins. items are lacking, and you only get some by landing on a space, there is no dice block that is 1-10 except for a special item. There is this "captain" thing and you must work together with others in the vehicles.

There are no spaces which give coins or mini stars, and there are no minigames at round ends, in fact, there are no rounds at all, and even then, the captain chooses the mini games. All maps feature vehicles, all maps are all luck based at this point, no planning at all.
It's severely and heavily luck reliant.

The boards in design are good, board design has always been awesome. That was the only redeeming quality for me.

There is no innovation, there is not much fun. It's just...new...
I expect this from Sonic, not Nintendo or Mario.

Now you may say that I have not played it or anything, but I have, earlier today.

Feel free to post your replies, opinions, flames, and whatnot.
 
Just because you miss Classic mode, you hate this game?
OK, whine if you just miss classic mode. Whine if you hate captain events.
And how is all the boards supposed to be luck based? Please explain more.
And just because items are lacking it doesn't mean it is bad.
I give that review a score of 0 out of 10  :what:
 
oh no because someone doesn't like the game that means his review is unreliable

>fanboyism

I give that review a score of 0 out of 10  :what:
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Haha, I enjoy this game greatly, but even I have to say that some of you are bashing him for no reason.

Now that I played it, the fact is this game is much more heavily luck based than the other 8 games, so I definitely understand those who strongly dislike the game's new Party Mode. I think this was the first time in which I dominate the whole game only to end up coming in last place within the final 2-5 minutes of the game.

I'm not too upset to be honest, since most MP games rely on luck alot of the time and I now accept that. I still generally have plenty of fun with this game.

Although, I will disagree with anyone who disliked the minigames. These particular minigames are a huge step up from the past 4-5 Mario Party games.

Haha, looks like Aegis was right in his other thread about convincing him about the MP series. This game is the most luck based Mario Party, in terms of Party Mode. xD
 
Aegis said:
I tried to tell people but they wouldnt listen. :(
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You told people nothing but your own opinion.  You challenged people to convince you to play Mario Party and enjoy it when there was nothing to go other than opinions.  There is no right or wrong answer to "Is Mario Party (in general) a good game?"  Leave that out of a review topic, it's just a list of qualities of the game and the reviewer's take on those qualities.  Let it go, Aegis.

As for the review...
That_One_Guy said:
There is no innovation
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Lol, did you read your own review?  I would do all quotes, but I'm lazy so I'll just take down a list of all the things that are innovative from your review.
Maps don't loop, movement with vehicles, moving together, ministars (granted they are similar to playing a game with just coins, so that probably doesn't count), everyone wins something from a minigame, no rounds, no end-of round minigames, captain chooses minigames.
Another innovation being boss battles, not mentioned in the review.

That_One_Guy said:
It's severely and heavily luck reliant.
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Have you played ANY Mario Party before?  Rolling a die (that isn't rigged) is luck no matter how you look at it.  That's how it's been in EVERY Mario Party.  In fact, MP9 gives you a little more control because you can choose the possible range of said die to swing the rest of the game's luck a little in your favor (assuming you got the special item dice).

What I took from your review was, "Something seems off about it to me, I don't like it, and I'm gonna tell you why using vague generalizations."
I applaud your attempt to review MP9, but I disregard reviews like those.
 
SolidSnake17 said:
Aegis said:
I tried to tell people but they wouldnt listen. :(
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You told people nothing but your own opinion.  You challenged people to convince you to play Mario Party and enjoy it when there was nothing to go other than opinions.  There is no right or wrong answer to "Is Mario Party (in general) a good game?"  Leave that out of a review topic, it's just a list of qualities of the game and the reviewer's take on those qualities.  Let it go, Aegis.
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Good job. You not only managed to prove to yourself that you're a hypocrite, but have also disregarded how a review actually works.

You claim that "There is no right or wrong answer to "Is Mario Party (in general) a good game?"" and yet here you are bashing TOG (If I may call you that) of not only giving a good review, but also mocking him by saying "lolol u red ur own review??" and "Have you played MP before?" You pretty much just sat on your high horse this whole time trying to twist me into a guy who just has illogical opinions and yet you bash this member's "attempt", you call it, at reviewing a game that so far a lot of people are disappointed with. Great role model for future politicians, maybe.

This reminds me of the time PartyPopStar came on and made a topic about Sonic Shuffle, and apparently everybody at the time loved that game for one reason or another, and then I made a couple of posts saying that the game sucked and the huge gaming reviewers gave it crappy scores. People got wicked pissed at me and said that "blah blah never played the game, never played minigame fests before, dun like Sonic" etc. I then posted the scores from those sites to further my point across (there were like 30%, 2 Stars, 67%, 34/100, etc.), and people further called me out saying that I was a troll and that I didn't like any games that were fun and yet all I did was post the scores. Nothing more.

Like I said, this is the true philosophy of "fanboyism". You get to like a certain game or gaming franchise to the point where different opinions on it become personal attacks and you just lynch the person for expressing their dislike for it. This is why I don't pledge allegiance to any game or franchise (I do have my favorites, like Final Fantasy, but I always point out the faults that make it not enjoyable, like the last 4 mainstream games (excluding FF13, of course)), because I don't want to be one of those fools who thinks that just one comment about how the game sucks means you're a terrible person who can't review games or their opinion is invalid. It really pisses me off.

He reviewed the game. Granted, it's not as long as madstarr's, but he reviewed it none of the less. Give him some credit. He played the game, didn't like it. That's all. Don't judge his ability to review just because you don't agree with him.

>pissed off
 
Luigi Party! (a.k.a. Fawful) said:
And how is all the boards supposed to be luck based?
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Um, I know you're joking.

Honestly, I'm heavily disappointed with MP9. There was so much hype, and I thought it would be fun, but there's so many quirks... that bring it down to MP8's level for me (aka, high dislike towards the game). Mario Party has always been Luck and Strategy, but this game... I swear, it's only luck, they completely took out the strategy in this game, so we're back to MP1, where everything was just too luck-based... >_< Mini-Game give-outs are pathetic, usually for FFA, the winner gets 5 Mini Stars, followed by 2nd getting 3, 3rd getting 2, and 4th getting 1. I hate this, why the heck would 2nd get 3 Mini Stars? That's too close to 1st (no shit =P), so you winning mini-games isn't going to do much. If you are going to give giveouts to everyone, I would at least do it like this: 1st/10 MiniStars, 2nd/2 MiniStars, the others get nothing, as they shouldn't cuz they placed badly... But no, it's everyone gets almost the exact same amount. I'll admit though, a lot of the Mini-Games are fun, shame they had to have bad pay-outs.

Item System is horrible, and even worse than Mario Party 8. You only can get 0-1, 1-2-3, 4-5-6, Slow, or a 1-10 Dice Block. So, there's no dice blocks to harm other people, or REALLY help you to the fullest. Very disappointed.

Lots of the boards are fucked up by luck (Blooper Beach is pure bullshit), some are just too unfair (Magma Mines/Boo's Horror Castle), and others are just dull (Bob-Omb's Factory). I only like Toad Road/Bowser Station/DK's Jungle Ruins. And the bosses... a lot of them are good, but some of them... (Big Bob-Omb/Bowser Jr.) are some of the worst/unfair/luckbased/uttercrap I've ever seen in my life. I was looking forward to Bob-Omb one, and when I found out it was all about luck, I just facepalmed and started ranting. And Captain Events... oh boy, don't get me started. Once again, a good idea is ruined by Luck, luck luck luck. It's not even enjoyable, look at the Blooper Beach Captain Event, it's just so... horrible, lol. I want to know who came up with something so unfair and one-sided. I like the MP9 style, it had a chance to be heck of a lot better than the original, but overall, it was dominated by luck.

TL;DR: I do think Nintendo put in a lot of work into Mario Party 9 (a lot of the textures/angles look amazing, plus the characters look better and more rendered), but when they decided to take a turn to luck only, they won't get a joyus review from me. I have played MP9 with my friends, and I'll admit, I had a lot of fun, it was fun for them too, cuz a lot of them aren't good at games in general, and the luck gives everyone chance to win. So I don't think the luck is bad in EVERY ASPECT, but generally, it does ruin a lot of aspects of the game and makes it un-enjoyable for me, anyway. Honestly, I'm just tired of all party games nowadays are always completely luck based (Wii Party, Fortune Street, etc.), I'm fine with luck, but when there's COMPLETE reliant on it, it does get rather annoying, cuz I don't wanna play the Games of Chance, I wanna play Mario Party. XD But yes, looking past luck... and some of the good features (Mini-Games, Graphics/Textures, Music, Amazing Board design) I think I could give it a 7/10. This is just my opinion overall, others might feel different about this stuff, but I believe all my comments are valid.
 
See? Now Staryu made great points about why he was disappointed by the game. Are you now going to call him out and say that he is a bad reviewer who doesn't know what he is talking about?

Just goes to show you, uh, yeah, I told you so, basically. :p
 
I've played all the Mario Parties and I like them all. inb4yougetcalledafanboy. xD Of course, I like some better than others. I think all of the Mario Parties are pretty luck based if you ask me. I mean, you are using a dice block to get from point A to point B. xD Skill is required when you are playing a Mini-Games, (Unless it's a luck based mini-game) or a non luck-based happening event. Mario Party 9 is a bit more luck-based than MP 2-8 I guess, but you can control your luck somewhat by using special dice. e.g. If you see ztars 5 spaces in front of you, then you could use a 1-3 or a 0-1 dice block to avoid it, and hope someone else gets them. Of course, you have to land on a blue space first and hope you get the type of dice I mentioned lol. Too bad there aren't any shops to buy special dice but there are Toad houses so I guess that's something. =J
On a side note: I think Crash Bash is the only party game I've played that requires nothing but skill lol! 

I personally like the car mode and I'm okay that you can't make multiple laps around most of the maps. Dk's jungle Ruins is the one exception. =P

The fact that everyone wins mini-stars after a mini-game doesn't bother me but I can understand that some people hate that. =/

Mario Party 9 is great visually, the mini-games are very fun, and the music is catchy. My one complaint is the lack of characters. I was expecting 15 or 16 characters but instead we only got 12. I wanted Dry Bones, Hammer Bro, and Toadette. =( Well at least I have Koopa and Yoshi. ^^ I give it 9.5/10. I like all the new features in this game but what's keeping it from being perfect is the lack of characters. If you don't like this game I respect that but I think it's a great game! =J
 
SpiderStaryu said:
Luigi Party! (a.k.a. Fawful) said:
And how is all the boards supposed to be luck based?
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Um, I know you're joking.

Honestly, I'm heavily disappointed with MP9. There was so much hype, and I thought it would be fun, but there's so many quirks... that bring it down to MP8's level for me (aka, high dislike towards the game). Mario Party has always been Luck and Strategy, but this game... I swear, it's only luck, they completely took out the strategy in this game, so we're back to MP1, where everything was just too luck-based... >_< Mini-Game give-outs are pathetic, usually for FFA, the winner gets 5 Mini Stars, followed by 2nd getting 3, 3rd getting 2, and 4th getting 1. I hate this, why the heck would 2nd get 3 Mini Stars? That's too close to 1st (no s*** =P), so you winning mini-games isn't going to do much. If you are going to give giveouts to everyone, I would at least do it like this: 1st/10 MiniStars, 2nd/2 MiniStars, the others get nothing, as they shouldn't cuz they placed badly... But no, it's everyone gets almost the exact same amount. I'll admit though, a lot of the Mini-Games are fun, shame they had to have bad pay-outs.

Item System is horrible, and even worse than Mario Party 8. You only can get 0-1, 1-2-3, 4-5-6, Slow, or a 1-10 Dice Block. So, there's no dice blocks to harm other people, or REALLY help you to the fullest. Very disappointed.

Lots of the boards are F***ed up by luck (Blooper Beach is pure bulls***), some are just too unfair (Magma Mines/Boo's Horror Castle), and others are just dull (Bob-Omb's Factory). I only like Toad Road/Bowser Station/DK's Jungle Ruins. And the bosses... a lot of them are good, but some of them... (Big Bob-Omb/Bowser Jr.) are some of the worst/unfair/luckbased/uttercrap I've ever seen in my life. I was looking forward to Bob-Omb one, and when I found out it was all about luck, I just facepalmed and started ranting. And Captain Events... oh boy, don't get me started. Once again, a good idea is ruined by Luck, luck luck luck. It's not even enjoyable, look at the Blooper Beach Captain Event, it's just so... horrible, lol. I want to know who came up with something so unfair and one-sided. I like the MP9 style, it had a chance to be heck of a lot better than the original, but overall, it was dominated by luck.

TL;DR: I do think Nintendo put in a lot of work into Mario Party 9 (a lot of the textures/angles look amazing, plus the characters look better and more rendered), but when they decided to take a turn to luck only, they won't get a joyus review from me. I have played MP9 with my friends, and I'll admit, I had a lot of fun, it was fun for them too, cuz a lot of them aren't good at games in general, and the luck gives everyone chance to win. So I don't think the luck is bad in EVERY ASPECT, but generally, it does ruin a lot of aspects of the game and makes it un-enjoyable for me, anyway. Honestly, I'm just tired of all party games nowadays are always completely luck based (Wii Party, Fortune Street, etc.), I'm fine with luck, but when there's COMPLETE reliant on it, it does get rather annoying, cuz I don't wanna play the Games of Chance, I wanna play Mario Party. XD But yes, looking past luck... and some of the good features (Mini-Games, Graphics/Textures, Music, Amazing Board design) I think I could give it a 7/10. This is just my opinion overall, others might feel different about this stuff, but I believe all my comments are valid.
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I understand the point, but everybody has different opinions. Let's take a break now.  :)
 
Aegis said:
See? Now Staryu made great points about why he was disappointed by the game. Are you now going to call him out and say that he is a bad reviewer who doesn't know what he is talking about?

Just goes to show you, uh, yeah, I told you so, basically. :p
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Actually, it's because Staryu made excellent points that I'm not going to call him out.  You see, I'm not like you.  I see others' opinions and state my own.  I don't have a problem with opinions so much as I do how people reach them.  I saw TOG's review and saw some contradictions.  This would be why I took the innovations quote and listed the new aspects of MP9 that TOG used (except for the bosses, which I acknowledged).  Not for one second did I bash TOG's opinions.  I used facts to support my stance, but never said I was right or he was wrong.  Granted that I could have been a little more polite with my two questions, and I'm sorry about that, I still stand my ground.  I can see that Staryu, TOG, and other members perceive the game to revolve more around luck than past MP's, and I respect that.  What i don't want is a misguided opinion.

I just happen to keep seeing you force your opinions on everyone else.  Three topics I've seen you tell people that MP sucks, one was dedicated specifically to that topic.  I got tired of it, but even then I didn't bash your opinion.  I told you that if you don't like it, don't play it.  To that comment you never responded anyway.  I state my opinions and I defend them, but I don't say "You should believe what I think because I'm better than you."  You can only take things on the internet at face value because there's just no way to tell if a poster is angry, sarcastic, or other.  I weigh in on topics, as I'm supposed to do on a forum.  You seem to have a problem with my opinions, and I can't say that I blame you, because they're not you're own.  I won't argue with you any further, however I will defend defend myself if I find myself criticized.

Staryu, MPL had just about everything on MP9 before the US even got the game.  My question to you is, it took until you experienced the game before you found out about how much luck is relied on?  Don't take this as condescending or sarcastic, I just wonder what changed between talking about the game and playing it.
 
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