Mafia Madness (Endgame)

[Slacker]

Night 2
All of the Toads thought that they heard stirring throughout the night, but everyone was safe and accounted for when the five woke up.

It is now Day 3.
With five of you left, it takes three to lynch. Be careful and good luck.

 

[noctus]

I received two anonymous messages during the nigth

"He is evil... but can you really tell...? It might be best to get this bad guy out as soon as possible... or else things might go really wrong for you."

"Yoshi will be sad if you don't keep your mouth shut"


and, we must guess who is a mafia

 

[Slacker]

Night 2
All of the Toads thought that they heard stirring throughout the night, but everyone was safe and accounted for when the five woke up.

It is now Day 3.
With five of you left, it takes three to lynch. Be careful and good luck.

Forgot to mention:
- Not necessarily a lylo situation
- Potential mylo if a very peculiar sequence of events happen (aka the game gets freaky) (but still a possibility)

EDIT- 72 hour deadline to make a lynch again (9:00PM EST Saturday)

 

[H-J Kaabii]

I received two anonymous messages during the nigth

"He is evil... but can you really tell...? It might be best to get this bad guy out as soon as possible... or else things might go really wrong for you."

"Yoshi will be sad if you don't keep your mouth shut"


and, we must guess who is a mafia

So that means there are two roles with anon message abilities; or one role that can send two anonymous messages. Why were these sent to the same person though?

I don't get this message concerning Yoshi(man?)... let's see if we can work out who sent it based on phrasing. I believe someone alluded to Yoshi a while back...

although im bad playing mafia, so if I fail, dont destroy me please  :yoshi: yoshi will be sad if you do that

Now that is confusing, noctus wouldn't send himself a message... obviously someone was mimicking him

- Not a lylo situation
- Potential mylo if a very peculiar sequence of events happen (aka the game gets freaky) (but still a possibility)

Remember when I told LFan that I believed her somewhat when she claimed Bleeder? That's because I knew that the MiliToad/Bleeder existed, because I myself am one.

Now given the scenario Slacker has outlined, I am led to believe that there is a single mafia (gasp, one out of seven?!). For the mylo situation, I am assuming that a bleeder like myself was hit overnight, but because bleeders can survive for one more day phase, the kill won't register until the following night. I don't know how many other bleeders there are, but for the sake of argument let's say I'm the only one. The only way mylo can occur is if we mislynch today, I bleed to death, and mafia successfully kill someone else at night, leaving two players (one town, one mafia).

So in light of that potentially horrible scenario, we need to sort out the following few things:
>Are there any more bleeders? (this determines how we approach our vote)
>Who sent what anon message? At this stage I feel one anon message is mafia aligned and one is town but I have no proof of this
>Noctus, who do you think sent the anon messages?
>Are there any roles who have important info to reveal? (doctors, please don't out yourselves, that's bad play) I'm aware this puts yourself at danger compared with say bleeders outing themselves, but if the info is crucial enough to get the mafia out today, I think revealing such info is important

 

[Yoshiman222]

I received two anonymous messages during the nigth

"He is evil... but can you really tell...? It might be best to get this bad guy out as soon as possible... or else things might go really wrong for you."

"Yoshi will be sad if you don't keep your mouth shut"


and, we must guess who is a mafia

So that means there are two roles with anon message abilities; or one role that can send two anonymous messages. Why were these sent to the same person though?

So... I guess this means LFan didn't make up that random message or something from the previous night...? =/
If only we'd known of this sooner we probably could have prevented that mislynch... though again, I guess if one if mafia-aligned, it's not like they'd just say they can do that also...

Let me take a closer look at these messages...
So based on what they say, we could assume that the 1st message is from a good guy and the 2nd is from the mafia (both doing the opposite terms, mostly a townie saying something like the 2nd message, makes no sense to me), so maybe if we can figure out both senders from the messages we should be able to help determine who could be mafia?

I don't get this message concerning Yoshi(man?)... let's see if we can work out who sent it based on phrasing. I believe someone alluded to Yoshi a while back...

although im bad playing mafia, so if I fail, dont destroy me please  :yoshi: yoshi will be sad if you do that

Now that is confusing, noctus wouldn't send himself a message... obviously someone was mimicking him

...I actually did a check-over to see who would write what, but I've kind of came down to the same conclusion as H-J above that the person who wrote the other message was trying to mimic Noctus (probably trying to get him to do certain things...?).
So unless we find out who they both are, we might be in a bit of trouble...

- Not a lylo situation
- Potential mylo if a very peculiar sequence of events happen (aka the game gets freaky) (but still a possibility)

Remember when I told LFan that I believed her somewhat when she claimed Bleeder? That's because I knew that the MiliToad/Bleeder existed, because I myself am one.

Now given the scenario Slacker has outlined, I am led to believe that there is a single mafia (gasp, one out of seven?!). For the mylo situation, I am assuming that a bleeder like myself was hit overnight, but because bleeders can survive for one more day phase, the kill won't register until the following night. I don't know how many other bleeders there are, but for the sake of argument let's say I'm the only one. The only way mylo can occur is if we mislynch today, I bleed to death, and mafia successfully kill someone else at night, leaving two players (one town, one mafia).

If what you say here is true, well, first of all, that's really odd because I was assuming there was at least 2 throughout this game, but second of all, if H-J is truly "dead", so to speak, then it would be wise to be extremely cautious as we make our votes because if he does die the night afterwards, yeah, 1v1 and mafia wins. (And seeing LFan's role, I now know it exists thankfully =p).

So in light of that potentially horrible scenario, we need to sort out the following few things:
>Are there any more bleeders? (this determines how we approach our vote)
>Who sent what anon message? At this stage I feel one anon message is mafia aligned and one is town but I have no proof of this
>Noctus, who do you think sent the anon messages?
>Are there any roles who have important info to reveal? (doctors, please don't out yourselves, that's bad play) I'm aware this puts yourself at danger compared with say bleeders outing themselves, but if the info is crucial enough to get the mafia out today, I think revealing such info is important

With all that above, I'm kind-of feeling towards DJ or VooDu sending the messages. Both so far are the only ones to me that haven't done too much in the game (granted, DJ didn't get a chance since he joined in for Eddy's ban, but it's still a possibility).

Anyhow - to answer question's #1 and 4 (since #2 I gave my guess on and #3 is for Noctus only).
1) I have doubts there's any more bleeders. I think 2's the number. I think this way because I for one am not a bleeder.
4) I, but I don't know if you'll get the right idea speak up now about that. I'll speak later if necessary. though I guess if you figure it out... just do a little *nod to this post, okay? or if you want go ahead and say it but I don't think now's the best time.

 

[H-J Kaabii]

I'll hear the other guys out re questions, but based on anon messages...

LFan received a Luigi is Evil message while Eddy received the message about Don't vote for me again or bad things will happen or whatever the content was. Process of elimination and Yoshiman's current thoughts would lead me to think that Eddy sent the Luigi is Evil message which is probably not a message that a mafia would send; by virtue of player change, that would suggest that DJ is probably the anon who can send the town aligned message, or something.

If we're going by Yoshiman's reasoning, then VooDu sent the others...? This is something I'll have to read back on to get a feel for possible alignments, hm...

 

[Guy Shy]

>Are there any more bleeders? (this determines how we approach our vote)
>Who sent what anon message? At this stage I feel one anon message is mafia aligned and one is town but I have no proof of this
>Noctus, who do you think sent the anon messages?
>Are there any roles who have important info to reveal? (doctors, please don't out yourselves, that's bad play) I'm aware this puts yourself at danger compared with say bleeders outing themselves, but if the info is crucial enough to get the mafia out today, I think revealing such info is important

>With the amount of people, I feel like their wouldn't really be more than 2 bleeders.

>I feel like these two messages intertwine with each other. "We need to get the bad guy out or it could go wrong with you" and "will be sad if you don't keep your mouth shut". They both depict bad things happening to Noctus and reference that Noctus has some information we don't know about. Noctus, do you have any info of the sort? As for who could've sent them, their isn't really enough information to pinpoint anyone who could've sent them.

>Directed at Noctus so I can't answer.

>I don't feel like revealing this info right now as it can put me in danger. If it's necessary I'll reveal though.

With all that above, I'm kind-of feeling towards DJ or VooDu sending the messages. Both so far are the only ones to me that haven't done too much in the game (granted, DJ didn't get a chance since he joined in for Eddy's ban, but it's still a possibility).

I haven't done too much in the game because Day 1 and half of 2 was questioning Eddy (who was probably trolling) and the questions I would've asked had already been asked. The rest was just questioning if LFan was mafia. I would've been able to contribute more if people hadn't of gotten to the things I'd like to say first.

 

[noctus]

>Noctus, who do you think sent the anon messages?

i dont know but is clear what one is a mafia and other a good guy

 

[H-J Kaabii]

>I feel like these two messages intertwine with each other. "We need to get the bad guy out or it could go wrong with you" and "will be sad if you don't keep your mouth shut". They both depict bad things happening to Noctus and reference that Noctus has some information we don't know about. Noctus, do you have any info of the sort? As for who could've sent them, their isn't really enough information to pinpoint anyone who could've sent them.

Noctus it would be nice if you could address this as well as:

>Are there any more bleeders? (this determines how we approach our vote)
>Who sent what anon message? At this stage I feel one anon message is mafia aligned and one is town but I have no proof of this
>Are there any roles who have important info to reveal? (doctors, please don't out yourselves, that's bad play) I'm aware this puts yourself at danger compared with say bleeders outing themselves, but if the info is crucial enough to get the mafia out today, I think revealing such info is important

Also I know this is a little redundant, but which of the anon messages sounds mafialike and which sounds townlike?

 

[noctus]

>I feel like these two messages intertwine with each other. "We need to get the bad guy out or it could go wrong with you" and "will be sad if you don't keep your mouth shut". They both depict bad things happening to Noctus and reference that Noctus has some information we don't know about. Noctus, do you have any info of the sort? As for who could've sent them, their isn't really enough information to pinpoint anyone who could've sent them.
I dont know nothing, I think the mafie mistaked to send the message, I dont know nothing important

Noctus it would be nice if you could address this as well as:

>Are there any more bleeders? (this determines how we approach our vote) I think that there arent more bleeder
>Who sent what anon message? At this stage I feel one anon message is mafia aligned and one is town but I have no proof of this
in the mp that slacker send me, the messages are anonymous, I dont know who send it
>Are there any roles who have important info to reveal? (doctors, please don't out yourselves, that's bad play) I'm aware this puts yourself at danger compared with say bleeders outing themselves, but if the info is crucial enough to get the mafia out today, I think revealing such info is important I dont know nothin

Also I know this is a little redundant, but which of the anon messages sounds mafialike and which sounds townlike?

I think the first is a good guy, but the second is a mafia,  probably he thinks that I have an important role

 

[CaptainShyguy]

So two anon messages to the same person which in theory means two people can send anon messages right? Like it has been mentioned, one seems to be a ''good guy'' and the other one seems like a mafia. Then again, the ''good'' guy could just be acting and make it seem like he's not guilty and actually be mafia, that's just a theory. There is a high possibility that one of the guys sending anon messages know information about our roles.

If what H-J says is true, there would be two bleeders, LFan being the first one and him being the left one. Since there was no kill last night that would mean that either H-J or I resisted the hit. I'm not a bleeder, but a ''Bulletproof''. What my role does is that I can resist a kill, I can be attacked once without being killed until I'm a target again. I cannot send anon messages.

So if H-J is honest, that would mean that Yoshiman and/or VooDu would be the ones sending messages? Since Noctus received those anonymous messages. Then again, I cannot confirm this since H-J hasn't received an anonymous message yet. Then again these are really just theories, but I'm really leaning toward the idea of Yoshiman sending anonymous messages.

 

[Yoshiman222]

Then again these are really just theories, but I'm really leaning toward the idea of Yoshiman sending anonymous messages.

I said nod but I won't deny it.
I think I even hinted at it in my previous message but no one nodded.

So with that I feel more like DJ is what he says, also being the fact that when VooDu replied about his role he stated :

>I don't feel like revealing this info right now as it can put me in danger. If it's necessary I'll reveal though.

So I fully believe he's the one now. I believe either H-J or DJ must have been targeted throughout the night and survived thanks to their abilities (hopefully DJ over H-J), and that the final role is with noctus.

Vote VooDu (Because if we believe the Mafia can send messages, it's gotta be one of us, and I for sure am not voting myself because that would be bad )
Also I sent my messages in hopes of kicking people into shape sorry to say. I bet it's obvious which ones I sent though. =P

 

[CaptainShyguy]

I really want to see what VooDu has to say, but for now, I'll leave that with a FoS. I did notice what Yoshiman said about VooDu's post, so if VooDu has an explanation, I would love to hear it (about the role reveal). I also do not want to risk making another mislynch.

 

[Slacker]

Day 3
VooDu - 1 (Yoshiman)

No Vote - 4 (Noctus, TSL, Spirit, VooDu)

It takes three.

 

[H-J Kaabii]

Right now I want to know what noctus's role is because if he knows nothing he's implying that he is a variation of a vanilla role, and given that he isn't a bleeder based on everyone else's logic then does that make him a BP, or...?

I will agree on the suspicion towards VooDu, and am interested particularly as to what makes him feel that noctus knew something when noctus claims not to...

 

[Guy Shy]

>I don't feel like revealing this info right now as it can put me in danger. If it's necessary I'll reveal though.

So I fully believe he's the one now. I believe either H-J or DJ must have been targeted throughout the night and survived thanks to their abilities (hopefully DJ over H-J), and that the final role is with noctus.

Vote VooDu (Because if we believe the Mafia can send messages, it's gotta be one of us, and I for sure am not voting myself because that would be bad )
Also I sent my messages in hopes of kicking people into shape sorry to say. I bet it's obvious which ones I sent though. =P

If I reveal my role it would be, in TSL's words, bad play (I think that hint was subtle enough but easy enough to understand). That's why I said that. I don't have power to send anon messages. Did that answer you question too DJ cause I was kinda unsure of what you're asking.

I will agree on the suspicion towards VooDu, and am interested particularly as to what makes him feel that noctus knew something when noctus claims not to...

I don't feel like Noctus knows something, I was saying the anon messages imply that he knows something and I wanted to know if Noctus did know something we didn't, which he claims he doesn't.

 

[H-J Kaabii]

The issue then arises as to whether there actually is, in fact, two people sending anon messages, or one sending different messages. :/

Right now my suspicions are directed at two people: noctus, whose claim that he 'knows nothing' implies that he is even more of a vanilla role than myself, or DJ('s claim), yet in light of everything so far doesn't fit with the whole picture; and Yoshiman, whose suggestion that the other anon message sending person should be mafia, then vote on VooDu, which was then contradicted by VooDu just above, seems to me to be a little concerning (also the choice of words such as "voting for myself - that's bad").

Let's think back to Day 2 anon messages: Lfan received one saying "Luigi is evil", and Eddy received one saying that "Don't try and get Luigi out or you will not be lucky the next night"

Now the issue here was that LFan was lynched, and yet DJ who replaced Eddy is still alive. To me, these two messages seem to be some sort of plan by whoever sent the messages (together, perhaps?) to cast suspicion on LFan, even though LFan received a "Luigi is evil" message as well... whatever discussion happened following that pretty much caused LFan to end up being voted off.

As to why DJ is alive, there are two possibilities involving a scenario where he was targetted. I won't explain them since they should be obvious.

Also does anyone get the feeling that Yoshiman might be trying to lead views ever so slightly...?

FoS Yoshiman, noctus

 

[Yoshiman222]

"Don't try and get Luigi out or you will not be lucky the next night"

Okay, just to clarify, that message didn't say that. It was something more like... "Don't target me or else" because it's from an unknown sender.

I also know that someone must be lying at this point - at least I'm honest enough to say I can send messages. Though I mostly send them to get said users to... well, what's the word...
I honestly don't know the word for some stupid reason, but I basically was just trying to get them more into the game.
Anyhow, I feel at times that message might have backfired and so I tried a more subtle message this time.

But apart from that, I had no idea of the "Luigi is Evil" message or the 2nd message noctus received. As such, I believe there's gotta be 2 senders out there - a good and a bad. The good trying to help and the bad trying to harm. And then messages mix up and we've got trouble...

Yoshiman, whose suggestion that the other anon message sending person should be mafia, then vote on VooDu, which was then contradicted by VooDu just above, seems to me to be a little concerning (also the choice of words such as "voting for myself - that's bad").

In regards to that, I think he might be lying about that role he "secretly just claimed". Plus, if you had to choose to vote out either yourself and another, which do you think would be a bad choice (this is in regards to what I said earlier about one of the 2 messengers being Mafia)?

 

[H-J Kaabii]

"Don't try and get Luigi out or you will not be lucky the next night"

Okay, just to clarify, that message didn't say that. It was something more like... "Don't target me or else" because it's from an unknown sender.

I also know that someone must be lying at this point - at least I'm honest enough to say I can send messages. Though I mostly send them to get said users to... well, what's the word...
I honestly don't know the word for some stupid reason, but I basically was just trying to get them more into the game.
Anyhow, I feel at times that message might have backfired and so I tried a more subtle message this time.

But apart from that, I had no idea of the "Luigi is Evil" message or the 2nd message noctus received. As such, I believe there's gotta be 2 senders out there - a good and a bad. The good trying to help and the bad trying to harm. And then messages mix up and we've got trouble...

Yoshiman, whose suggestion that the other anon message sending person should be mafia, then vote on VooDu, which was then contradicted by VooDu just above, seems to me to be a little concerning (also the choice of words such as "voting for myself - that's bad").

In regards to that, I think he might be lying about that role he "secretly just claimed". Plus, if you had to choose to vote out either yourself and another, which do you think would be a bad choice (this is in regards to what I said earlier about one of the 2 messengers being Mafia)?

Okay so Eddy attributed the message to LFan regardless. You did said that message to him though?

Well, obviously, otherwise 5 town players and a non-winning situation. :/

So which message did you send Noctus?

The best thing is to ask VooDu if his night action involved DJ in some way, I guess... Not that would clarify anything whether it was a hit or a block

 

[Yoshiman222]

"Don't try and get Luigi out or you will not be lucky the next night"

Okay, just to clarify, that message didn't say that. It was something more like... "Don't target me or else" because it's from an unknown sender.

I also know that someone must be lying at this point - at least I'm honest enough to say I can send messages. Though I mostly send them to get said users to... well, what's the word...
I honestly don't know the word for some stupid reason, but I basically was just trying to get them more into the game.
Anyhow, I feel at times that message might have backfired and so I tried a more subtle message this time.

But apart from that, I had no idea of the "Luigi is Evil" message or the 2nd message noctus received. As such, I believe there's gotta be 2 senders out there - a good and a bad. The good trying to help and the bad trying to harm. And then messages mix up and we've got trouble...

Yoshiman, whose suggestion that the other anon message sending person should be mafia, then vote on VooDu, which was then contradicted by VooDu just above, seems to me to be a little concerning (also the choice of words such as "voting for myself - that's bad").

In regards to that, I think he might be lying about that role he "secretly just claimed". Plus, if you had to choose to vote out either yourself and another, which do you think would be a bad choice (this is in regards to what I said earlier about one of the 2 messengers being Mafia)?

Okay so Eddy attributed the message to LFan regardless. You did said that message to him though?

Well, obviously, otherwise 5 town players and a non-winning situation. :/

So which message did you send Noctus?

The best thing is to ask VooDu if his night action involved DJ in some way, I guess... Not that would clarify anything whether it was a hit or a block

Sent message, but didn't get the result I hoped for.

And for Noctus -  It's the "He is evil... but can you really tell...?" one.
This one was a more subtle phrase I hoped would get him thinking more about it, and not as extreme as the other. ...I'm not good with this whole messenger thing I believe...