Are you a scrub? (Fighter games)

[kingboo]

Abuse throws in Tekken, air fireball pressure with Akuma in Street Fighter, chaincrab in Smash Brothers, Meltdown abuse in Dissidia.

If it works, why not use it? You play to win, not to play under some self-restricted rules that are BS no-one else would care about anyway.

However, like with everything, there's a limit how far you should go in this. *points at Meta Knight in SSBB*

Cuz stuff like spamming and smash spamming (SSBB) is a cheap way of winning. =/ That's why I get mad if someone (Berry =P) wins out of spamming.

You spam with smash balls all the time. Cheap winner.

How do you spam smash balls? Please make sense. :

You monopolize, in other terms you're always getting the smash ball a repeatedly KOing a bunch of us. I I'll upload a video of you. =P

 

[H-J Kaabii]

Re Snowy's rebut w/ Hakumen: good pointer, though I've never been able to use him properly. More a Ragna player myself. >.<
Re Muggshotter's argument: why counter your premis with Meta Knight...?
Re Smash Ball spamming: inappropriate use of word. Monopolising is just opportunity, not purposely grabbing it after everyone else smashes that Ball in the hope that they get it (though it appears so from the outside). Tactical? Yes. Spammy? Not exactly.

My own opinion is that we should investigate some mainstream fighting games first to see the frustration real spamming - which I personally define as repetitive use of a move to pressure and utterly annoy the opposition (which I'm taking as a moderate player) - can cause within gaming communities. Spam Smashes don't provide any obvious pressure - sure, they'll clean noobs up, but they're not exactly what I'd define spam as. Fan spam, yes. On an aside, if somebody were to dodge or shield roll repeatedly and then cheap KO you, would you consider their evasive maneuvers spamming? Or turtling as spam defending? SSB was always for the fun for all ages, especially Brawl, so they never bothered dealing with the "Hold Attack and hope it connects" 'spam' that Sushi defines.

 

[SpiderStaryu]

Abuse throws in Tekken, air fireball pressure with Akuma in Street Fighter, chaincrab in Smash Brothers, Meltdown abuse in Dissidia.

If it works, why not use it? You play to win, not to play under some self-restricted rules that are BS no-one else would care about anyway.

However, like with everything, there's a limit how far you should go in this. *points at Meta Knight in SSBB*

Cuz stuff like spamming and smash spamming (SSBB) is a cheap way of winning. =/ That's why I get mad if someone (Berry =P) wins out of spamming.

You spam with smash balls all the time. Cheap winner.

How do you spam smash balls? Please make sense. :

You monopolize, in other terms you're always getting the smash ball a repeatedly KOing a bunch of us. I I'll upload a video of you. =P

Lol. Seriously, don't pull stupid charges on me just cuz you can never get the smashball. When it comes on the stage, it's free for everyone to get, I've practiced on getting it which is why I get it the most. Maybe you should try that. >.>

HJ has a good point. =P

 

[Snowy620]

Oh god H-J.

I hate Ragna.

I'll get them down to little or no health, then Blood Kain to some other DD and it like restores most their health.

I main Makoto and Noel.

 

[SUPER WAHA]

Well, No. I play with the most fairest characters so I'm not a scrub.
Also, 4000th Topic!

 

[Troll]

Well, No. I play with the most fairest characters so I'm not a scrub.
Also, 4000th Topic!

Also depends on your fighting skill/method.

If you go around using the same move (usually strong, fast and not easy to escape), or use cheap KO/win tactics, then you qualify :U

If not, join the party. 

 

[Muggshotter]

With your logic, Muggshotter, it's ok for me to pick Hakumen in BlazBlue (long range melee, sort of slow, heavy hitter) and just spam his 6C and just spam that and win, and it's ok?

If I (the opponent) can't figure a way out of it, why not?  As long as it's not broken though.

Would you rather lose because you kept holding back?

Jesus Christ you're the densest piece of s*** who plays fighters to get his e-penis larger person I know.

I has e-penis?

 

[Snowy620]

With your logic, Muggshotter, it's ok for me to pick Hakumen in BlazBlue (long range melee, sort of slow, heavy hitter) and just spam his 6C and just spam that and win, and it's ok?

If I (the opponent) can't figure a way out of it, why not?  As long as it's not broken though.

Would you rather lose because you kept holding back?

Jesus Christ you're the densest piece of s*** who plays fighters to get his e-penis larger person I know.

I has e-penis?

Well, I wouldn't want to win because the other person couldn't do anything, it takes the fun out of it.

 

[Muggshotter]

Well, I wouldn't want to win because the other person couldn't do anything, it takes the fun out of it.

Winning is fun in my opinion, so I aim to win by using tactics that work. I get satisfactory from winning (much like everyone else), so I aim to keep it that way. My time trial runs in Sega All-Stars Racing are above avergae, explaining I wanted to get satisfaction from getting better. And I sure did.

But I do show respect to my opponents and try give some advice to players who did worse than me at the time.

You could always help your opponent out, give some tips regarding the defense against a particular move and mindsets for using the move (like with move #1 people would usually use on walls and move #2 always for long range). Maybe it'd be more fun in the end for both.

 

[MLYW]

Well, I wouldn't want to win because the other person couldn't do anything, it takes the fun out of it.

Winning is fun in my opinion, so I aim to win by using tactics that work. I get satisfactory from winning (much like everyone else), so I aim to keep it that way. My time trial runs in Sega All-Stars Racing are above avergae, explaining I wanted to get satisfaction from getting better. And I sure did.

But I do show respect to my opponents and try give some advice to players who did worse than me at the time.

You could always help your opponent out, give some tips regarding the defense against a particular move and mindsets for using the move (like with move #1 people would usually use on walls and move #2 always for long range). Maybe it'd be more fun in the end for both.

I understand the winning part, but I don't understand spamming to win.

 

[ILoveWaffles]

I'm not a scrub, I don't really use cheap moves and cheap characters(Metaknight and Tornado OLAWL) but I usually do Chain Grabs when I'm using King Dedede or some other character that can do an easy chain grab.

 

[Snowy620]

Well, I wouldn't want to win because the other person couldn't do anything, it takes the fun out of it.

Winning is fun in my opinion, so I aim to win by using tactics that work. I get satisfactory from winning (much like everyone else), so I aim to keep it that way. My time trial runs in Sega All-Stars Racing are above avergae, explaining I wanted to get satisfaction from getting better. And I sure did.

But I do show respect to my opponents and try give some advice to players who did worse than me at the time.

You could always help your opponent out, give some tips regarding the defense against a particular move and mindsets for using the move (like with move #1 people would usually use on walls and move #2 always for long range). Maybe it'd be more fun in the end for both.

I hope I never play against you in any game, or I might rip every hair from my head and beat someone.

I'd also spam your inbox with porn.

 

[MLYW]

Well, I wouldn't want to win because the other person couldn't do anything, it takes the fun out of it.

Winning is fun in my opinion, so I aim to win by using tactics that work. I get satisfactory from winning (much like everyone else), so I aim to keep it that way. My time trial runs in Sega All-Stars Racing are above avergae, explaining I wanted to get satisfaction from getting better. And I sure did.

But I do show respect to my opponents and try give some advice to players who did worse than me at the time.

You could always help your opponent out, give some tips regarding the defense against a particular move and mindsets for using the move (like with move #1 people would usually use on walls and move #2 always for long range). Maybe it'd be more fun in the end for both.

I hope I never play against you in any game, or I might rip every hair from my head and beat someone.

I'd also spam your inbox with porn.

Fighting games!? Beat someone!?

 

[Muggshotter]

Well, I wouldn't want to win because the other person couldn't do anything, it takes the fun out of it.

Winning is fun in my opinion, so I aim to win by using tactics that work. I get satisfactory from winning (much like everyone else), so I aim to keep it that way. My time trial runs in Sega All-Stars Racing are above avergae, explaining I wanted to get satisfaction from getting better. And I sure did.

But I do show respect to my opponents and try give some advice to players who did worse than me at the time.

You could always help your opponent out, give some tips regarding the defense against a particular move and mindsets for using the move (like with move #1 people would usually use on walls and move #2 always for long range). Maybe it'd be more fun in the end for both.

I understand the winning part, but I don't understand spamming to win.

If spamming helps you to win, why not use that tactic? Unless you abuse some safe moves (well, if you even HAVE some, that is), then you cannot really spam much in high level play to win.

Well, I wouldn't want to win because the other person couldn't do anything, it takes the fun out of it.

Winning is fun in my opinion, so I aim to win by using tactics that work. I get satisfactory from winning (much like everyone else), so I aim to keep it that way. My time trial runs in Sega All-Stars Racing are above avergae, explaining I wanted to get satisfaction from getting better. And I sure did.

But I do show respect to my opponents and try give some advice to players who did worse than me at the time.

You could always help your opponent out, give some tips regarding the defense against a particular move and mindsets for using the move (like with move #1 people would usually use on walls and move #2 always for long range). Maybe it'd be more fun in the end for both.

I hope I never play against you in any game, or I might rip every hair from my head and beat someone.

I'd also spam your inbox with porn.

Hahah, yeah. Maybe we better not try that.  :-D

 

[SpiderStaryu]

If spamming helps you to win, why not use that tactic? Unless you abuse some safe moves (well, if you even HAVE some, that is), then you cannot really spam much in high level play to win.

I don't think you honestly know how stupid that sounds... That's like saying if killing my boss helps me feel better, why not do that? You just don't do it since it makes no sense. And if you play only to win, then that's not fun.

Besides, if you spam to win, you obviously don't have enough talent to win normally. Same goes for hiding all the time. =P

 

[Snowy620]

I think the only time I spam moves, is with my friends on BlazBlue's online.

They'll get close and I just use Makoto's Drive attack, so it shoots them to the other side.

Rinse, repeat.

But that never works online.

 

[Muggshotter]

And if you play only to win, then that's not fun.

So I take it you don't like to win? Fine. Keep playing under self-imposed rules no-one in the world cares about. Keep losing, whine about it and don't do anything to prevent that happening in the future.

If spamming helps you to win, why not use that tactic? Unless you abuse some safe moves (well, if you even HAVE some, that is), then you cannot really spam much in high level play to win.

Besides, if you spam to win, you obviously don't have enough talent to win normally. Same goes for hiding all the time. =P

You can only really "hide" (or rather, stall) in games like Super Smash Bros., but even in high level play stages that allow such things are prohibited. lol @ "winning normally". When you win, you win. Similiarly when you die, you die. You don't get revived, similiar to how people cannot deny your win, if you won a match.

If you keep eating, say, Ike's F-Smash in SSB Brawl, then obviously you don't have talent to win, because you kept eating such a s*** move.

Read my quote again and try understand it this time.

If spamming helps you to win, why not use that tactic? Unless you abuse some safe moves (well, if you even HAVE some, that is), then you cannot really spam much in high level play to win.

Also, try read this.
I have only tried to sum up what that page has. Maybe I shouldn't have opened my mouth. After all, this is a Nintendo forum, a place based on a game the company has, which also has only one fighting game that wasn't even taken as such in the first place.

 

[SpiderStaryu]

And if you play only to win, then that's not fun.

So I take it you don't like to win? Fine. Keep playing under self-imposed rules no-one in the world cares about. Keep losing, whine about it and don't do anything to prevent that happening in the future.

If spamming helps you to win, why not use that tactic? Unless you abuse some safe moves (well, if you even HAVE some, that is), then you cannot really spam much in high level play to win.

Besides, if you spam to win, you obviously don't have enough talent to win normally. Same goes for hiding all the time. =P

You can only really "hide" (or rather, stall) in games like Super Smash Bros., but even in high level play stages that allow such things are prohibited. lol @ "winning normally". When you win, you win. Similiarly when you die, you die. You don't get revived, similiar to how people cannot deny your win, if you won a match.

If you keep eating, say, Ike's F-Smash in SSB Brawl, then obviously you don't have talent to win, because you kept eating such a s*** move.

Read my quote again and try understand it this time.

If spamming helps you to win, why not use that tactic? Unless you abuse some safe moves (well, if you even HAVE some, that is), then you cannot really spam much in high level play to win.

Also, try read this.
I have only tried to sum up what that page has. Maybe I shouldn't have opened my mouth. After all, this is a Nintendo forum, a place based on a game the company has, which also has only one fighting game that wasn't even taken as such in the first place.

Im going to post what I said again in bold text since you clearly didn't read it.

And if you play only to win, then that's not fun.

If you didn't read that again, I said If you ONLY play to win, then that's not fun. And I'm not whining, if anything, your whining how spamming is OK cuz it makes you win. Spamming is a cheap way of winning, and I only get mad when it's constantly done. No one likes a spammer, don't come crying to me when no one wants to play with you for your habit of spamming. I played other fighting game (Tekken for example) and I could tellyou how much I DISPISED when my cousin would always spam. I'm not asking for someone to do fancy combos and moves, but spamming is low.

 

[Muggshotter]

And if you play only to win, then that's not fun.

Winning is fun. I only try to have that fun by any means necessary.

I wouldn't be even playing games if I couldn't do what I wanted to. I enjoy winning and the studying ways to win is fun. Playing games is fun, winning is definetly fun.
Just so you know, there is fun on high level play as well, but it's not (directly) visible to those who do not play to win.

Spamming is a cheap way of winning, and I only get mad when it's constantly done.

So it is a cheap way of winning if I exploit your weaknesses. Sorry, but only a scrub would say that.

If you lose because someone abused three certain moves, think your loss as an opportunity to learn from your mistakes.

If you lost because of Mario's Side Smash, try make up for the mistake next time, because nearly behind every move, there's a certain mindset.

Do a move, your opponent counters. Now, assuming you learned from your mistakes, you counter your opponent's counter. The opponent most likely is left with nothing to answer to, and you could do what suits best the situation. Now you're reading your opponent like an open book after leaving him with nothing to answer to. At the top, in control... in.... STOPPABLE!



That is, until your opponent learns from his/her mistakes. Mindgames, my friend. Study the details of your enemy.

No one likes a spammer, don't come crying to me when no one wants to play with you for your habit of spamming.

Yeah, crying when a bunch of scrubs don't want to play someone who's better than them.

HAHA. NO.

I'd be better off playing CPU instead.

Seriously, why do you think the top players in Street Fighter (Daigo, Justin Wong), Smash Bros. Brawl (M2K), Tekken (Knee, Rain) became what they are today?

Because they played to win, and their famous because they've proven themselves they can win, and keep doing it. They most likely ignored all the losers calling tactics they've used cheap and all that BS.

That is also how all these insane glitches have been found. Because the player wants to keep winning, getting better, he studies the game more and more, eventually finding something the developers didn't intend to happen, Meta Knight's infinite cape dimension glitch for example (though the move was banned in a blink of an eye).

I'm not asking for someone to do fancy combos and moves, but spamming is low.

You just have to counter it, nothing else.

You can never go wrong with good sportsmanship. Never. If you don't enjoy intense competition, then don't. But don't go all sad and pissed about over a loss that was caused by one of your weaknesses. It's definetly not fun. 

 

[Snowy620]

I'd like to know how you counter being chain locked/spammed.

Please, tell me.